{"id":2057,"date":"2013-03-26T15:01:06","date_gmt":"2013-03-26T15:01:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/davidcprice.com\/?p=2057"},"modified":"2013-03-26T15:09:00","modified_gmt":"2013-03-26T15:09:00","slug":"a-pivotal-day-gay-marriage-before-the-supreme-court","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/davidcprice.com\/a-pivotal-day-gay-marriage-before-the-supreme-court\/","title":{"rendered":"A Pivotal Day: Gay Marriage Before the Supreme Court"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"supreme_court\"<\/a>Today is a big day in our Country. \u00a0The United States Supreme Court will begin hearing arguments regarding California’s “Prop 8” ban on same-sex marriage. \u00a0The suit that will be heard by the Court is being brought by one lesbian and one gay couple, challenging the voter-approved ban.<\/p>\n

As I’ve listened to the rhetoric on both sides, there is one statement that I believe frames the crux of the argument. \u00a0It had to do with what is “right.”<\/div>\n

\nWhat is right?<\/b><\/p>\n

\nThe statement was made by a cousin of Chief Justice John Roberts who reportedly “came out” as gay this past week. \u00a0Referring to Justice Roberts, he said, “I love my cousin. I hope he does the right thing.”<\/p>\n

The “right” thing. \u00a0I thought about for a long while, contemplating how often that is used, not as an objective perspective, but as a personal preference, or judgment. \u00a0Certainly, those on both sides of the debate look at their position as the right one. So, is it simply as the postmodernists have argued that right is relative? \u00a0Is it really a matter of perspective so that right is determined by the winners of a debate?<\/div>\n
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I will concede that this is very clearly the way our world runs. \u00a0Certainly the United States and other western countries operate this way. \u00a0Of course, no one is consistent with this position. \u00a0If we were, then everything should be on the table for debate, and I suppose it is if someone wants to bring the argument.<\/div>\n
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To some, murder is right. \u00a0Stealing is right. \u00a0Gang attacks are right. \u00a0So far, though, there haven’t been large enough groups to bring serious challenges, but according to our standards, nothing is out of bounds. \u00a0Nothing can be called “right” and nothing can be called “wrong.” \u00a0It is simply based upon the decision of the masses.<\/div>\n

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Again, we’re not being consistent because most people who take this position believe that their positions are objectively right and moral. \u00a0For instance, those who take the stand that homosexuality is good, believe that it is good and right for everyone and to stand against it or at the very least, against redefining marriage, is universally WRONG.<\/div>\n
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In Need of a Standard<\/b><\/div>\n
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At some point, we have to decide that absolutely nothing is objective and, therefore, no one truly has “rights” (in that there is nothing objective to state universal rights. You only have rights so long as you can win the fight). \u00a0If we do this, the argument needs to change, since the Pro-gay camp is claiming it is their\u00a0human<\/i>\u00a0right<\/i>\u00a0to marry. \u00a0Who determined this? \u00a0Is it claimed that this comes from the United States Constitution? \u00a0That document certainly doesn’t hold up to “universal” scrutiny as it only guides the people of a single country. \u00a0I understand that it’s their\u00a0desire<\/i>\u00a0to marry, but a right? \u00a0That’s not possible from a position of moral relativity.<\/div>\n

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Who Needs the Bible?<\/b><\/div>\n
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I get the arguments on the other side. \u00a0If one does not believe in a Supreme Law-giver, they are certainly not going to willingly submit their lives and practices to the directives of some “religious book.” \u00a0They are not going to buy into the argument that in order for there to be objective truths and laws and rights, there must be an objective standard that declares what is objectively right and wrong.<\/div>\n

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As a result, I believe it is only a matter of time before the laws do, indeed, change. \u00a0That may not be this particular case, but it will come because the collective “we” are guided by what the masses determine is good and right. \u00a0Since public opinion is quickly shifting towards gay marriage, that will soon become the law of the land. \u00a0Do I agree with it? \u00a0No. \u00a0Does that mean I hate gay people? \u00a0Absolutely not!<\/div>\n

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Very few people have said that gay people do not have a right in this country to live together and act like married people. \u00a0Though I believe that it is objectively wrong, according to the One who makes those determinations, I think they have this right, just as heterosexuals have a right to co-habitat (which is also objectively wrong and destructive) according to the same standard. \u00a0I simply believe that changing the very definition of the only Institution that can actually produce natural families (i.e. a man and woman, through the natural act of sex, producing other human beings and raising them with both a father and a mother), we are rendering the very term meaningless.<\/div>\n
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There is no need for me to rehash the same arguments over again. \u00a0They have been made time and again and rejected time and again. \u00a0Personally, I will continue to stand on the Truth of Scripture, regardless of where that leads me in the future. I will continue loving and caring for all people, straight or gay, but out of love, I am compelled to declare the warning of Scripture<\/a>\u00a0(which I didn’t write, by the way!):<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
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God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,\u00a025\u00a0<\/sup>because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.<\/div>\n

26\u00a0<\/sup>For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;\u00a027\u00a0<\/sup>and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.<\/p>\n

28\u00a0<\/sup>And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

If this is true<\/em> (which is the basic issue that must be determined by the individual), then the reason why so many are buying into the arguments of the gay community must be attributed to God giving them over to sin. \u00a0I understand how harsh that sounds (and that’s not my intent), but is that not the straight-forward, logical conclusion to this? \u00a0That cannot be seen as God being OK with it, but the very wrath<\/em> of God as He gives them over to be drawn into their own sinful desires. \u00a0That is not good news! \u00a0The only good news is that Christ can forgive.<\/div>\n
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Many in the Christian community will disagree with my position here, but I am not calling for gay people to simply “choose” not to be gay. \u00a0Personally, I doubt that is possible. \u00a0Due to the fall of man found in Genesis 3<\/a>, I believe that we are born with all sorts of “bents” towards sinful desires (which are often wrongly judged to be “natural”). \u00a0So, I don’t necessarily believe homosexuality is a choice any more than I chose to be heterosexual. \u00a0What I do believe is a choice is what is done with it. \u00a0I have heterosexual friends who have never found “the one” whom they can marry. \u00a0Moral relativism says that’s no big deal, just find somebody to have sex with; play house together regardless of a love and a lifetime commitment. \u00a0However, they have taken Scripture seriously and remained celibate.<\/div>\n
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Biblically, my homosexual friends have no more right to give themselves over to their desires than my unmarried heterosexual friends. \u00a0That’s not good enough for them, though. \u00a0That means denying pleasure for righteousness. \u00a0Therefore, that type of righteousness cannot be right. It is redefined, then, as wrong<\/em>. \u00a0After all, God would never<\/em> call me to sacrifice my pleasure for His righteousness. \u00a0That whole thing about Jesus saying His followers must deny themselves, take up their crosses and follow Him was, well, just a joke. He was just\u00a0teasing<\/i>. He’d had a bad day when He said that. \u00a0Who knows, maybe He didn’t even say it at all.<\/div>\n
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The Heart of the Issue<\/b><\/div>\n
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Yeah, it all boils down to that. \u00a0What do you believe?<\/em> \u00a0You either have to believe Scripture as it has been given<\/em>\u00a0to us or reject it completely. \u00a0I realize that many are\u00a0redefining<\/i>\u00a0it as they are everything else, but that’s just dishonest. \u00a0I have much more respect for those who outright reject it than to play twister with it and make it into what it never said. \u00a0Just stop playing games with it.<\/div>\n
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To be honest, I don’t have a personal agenda in this. \u00a0If Scripture didn’t say it was wrong, I’d probably just take homosexual practice in stride and get used to it just like everything else. It would certainly be easier. \u00a0Heck, nobody wants to be called a bigot or hater or intolerant by all of the\u00a0wildly<\/i>\u00a0tolerant people out there. \u00a0I prefer to be liked by everyone and, certainly, I could be liked by a whole lot more people if I compromised truth, too, but I’m bound by it. \u00a0I’m compelled by it. I simply can’t.<\/div>\n
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But I’m not a hater.<\/div>\n
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I’m not intolerant.<\/div>\n
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I think by peacefully stating my position and the position of Scripture while not engaging in dirty names or making threats but, instead, declaring that I will continue to live in peace with my homosexual friends, I am demonstrating exactly what “tolerance” truly means. \u00a0However, let it be known that I will do it with integrity and standing firm on my principles. \u00a0I will make it clear that, because I love people and believe that sin is not just “bad,” it is deadly<\/em>, I will\u00a0not<\/i>\u00a0redefine it away if the Bible says otherwise\u2026but I will not<\/em> do it with malice or disrespect or hatred or in a mean-spirited fashion. \u00a0As a minister of the God-breathed Word of Truth, I owe people that, regardless.<\/div>\n
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It is<\/em> possible to disagree without being disagreeable.<\/div>\n

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\u00a0That is, after all<\/div>\n
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…tolerance.<\/div>\n

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